In this conversation i speak to my dear friend, colleague and medicine sister Marion Haak-Schulenburg about the victim-judge archetypal shadow-side dynamic. Marion shares from her rich experience of teaching, voice work, and deep somatic trauma healing as we explore the realms of body-mind connection, the role and function of the nervous system, the fight-flight-freeze-fawn response, neurological entrainment, the ability to use ones voice, and our place of power and choice.